[amirams]

I installed Vista Beta 2 on a Dell Latitude 120L with 1.25GB memory and Intel Graphic Media Accelerator 900. Vista is activated and the performance rating is 2. No Glass. I read elsewhere that MS doesn't support Glass on GMA 900 - I wonder whether there's a registry hack to enable it anyhow.

This post has been edited by amirams: 25 May 2006 - 12:15 AM

[Vice]

For Glass you need a DirectX 9 Compatible Graphics Processor with Shader Model 2.0 support. The GM900 is not DX9.

You would need a GM950 or higher to use Glass. No registry hack will enable the functionality.

Your only alternative is to use Windows Blinds from Stardock which can run Vista Glass effects on Windows XP with a DX7 card or higher. I would imagine they will make it compatible with Vista once it's released

[stevenaxe]

yea, that won't support it, but it's also intel's job to create drivers for the ones that can run aero glass

[cybertimber2009]

stevenaxe, on May 25 2006, 07:05 AM, said:

yea, that won't support it, but it's also intel's job to create drivers for the ones that can run aero glass

"The GM900 is not DX9."
It won't work unless its HARDWARE DX9 compatable. Software won't matter.

[stevenaxe]

that's why I said, "for the ones that can"

[phile]

WinMacLin, on May 25 2006, 03:18 AM, said:

For Glass you need a DirectX 9 Compatible Graphics Processor with Shader Model 2.0 support. The GM900 is not DX9.

You would need a GM950 or higher to use Glass. No registry hack will enable the functionality.

Your only alternative is to use Windows Blinds from Stardock which can run Vista Glass effects on Windows XP with a DX7 card or higher. I would imagine they will make it compatible with Vista once it's released

Intel's GMA 900 supports DX9 and Shader Model 2.0. It appears that the only thing missing is a WDDM Driver from Intel.

Here's the Everest Device Description of my Intel GMA 900

Device Description	Device Type
Intel GMA 900	Video Adapter
Intel GMA 900	3D Accelerator


Field	Value
Graphics Processor Properties	
Video Adapter	Intel 82915GM Graphics Controller 0
GPU Code Name	Alviso-GM
PCI Device	8086 / 2592
Bus Type	Integrated
RAMDAC Clock	400 MHz
Pixel Pipelines	4
TMU Per Pipeline	1
Vertex Shaders	1  (v2.0)
Pixel Shaders	1  (v2.0)
DirectX Hardware Support	DirectX v9.0

-phil

[Ben.]

LOL 4 pixel pipelines

Shout at Intel!

[Vice]

phile, on May 28 2006, 06:06 PM, said:

Intel's GMA 900 supports DX9 and Shader Model 2.0. It appears that the only thing missing is a WDDM Driver from Intel.

Here's the Everest Device Description of my Intel GMA 900

Device Description	Device Type
Intel GMA 900	Video Adapter
Intel GMA 900	3D Accelerator
Field	Value
Graphics Processor Properties	
Video Adapter	Intel 82915GM Graphics Controller 0
GPU Code Name	Alviso-GM
PCI Device	8086 / 2592
Bus Type	Integrated
RAMDAC Clock	400 MHz
Pixel Pipelines	4
TMU Per Pipeline	1
Vertex Shaders	1  (v2.0)
Pixel Shaders	1  (v2.0)
DirectX Hardware Support	DirectX v9.0

-phil

Could be something to do with you having a 915GM and not a 900GM. (lol)

Must be on a laptop because that's a laptop chipset.
Anyway force a 950GM LDDM driver onto your chip and if it works your good. I know it sounds crude but many people have done this with other cards like running a 5900 Driver on a 6800Ultra to get Glass.

[The Joker]

phile, on May 28 2006, 01:06 PM, said:

Intel's GMA 900 supports DX9 and Shader Model 2.0. It appears that the only thing missing is a WDDM Driver from Intel.

-phil

It doesnt have to support DX9. It has to be DX9. There are many DX8 and DX8.1 cards that support DX9 that still cant run Glass. Only DX9 cards with the shader model can run glass effectively.

Unless they changed Vista to finally support DX8 cards that can do DX9.

[freex]

You could always buy yourself a cheap DX9 gfx card and be done with it ... unless you are indeed using a laptop chipset then this may be a little tough

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Unless they changed Vista to finally support DX8 cards that can do DX9.

Very unlikely. I bet M$ got a lot of $$ from ATI and/or nVidia not to do that.

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Anyway force a 950GM LDDM driver onto your chip and if it works your good. laugh.gif I know it sounds crude but many people have done this with other cards like running a 5900 Driver on a 6800Ultra to get Glass.

Yeah, but a chipset driver is different from an ordinary display driver. Don't blame anyone if your computer burns to ashes after doing so!

[rjklindsay]

I was very disappointed, when I couldnt run Aero Glass on my old laptop.
Since Aero Glass required Shader 2.0, and hardware DirectX9, I decided to buy a new laptop.
So, I spent over £600 on a shiny new laptop, with a915GM chipset, SPECIFICALLY so I could try out the Aero Glass effects.
I know from reading these forums, that this chipsed USED TO support Aero Glass, with a simple registry tweak. But, this is no longer the case.
As you can imagine, I am pretty PISSED OFF with Microsoft.
Afterall, I have seen much better graphics effects, running smoothly on far inferior hardware, and being a Dephi/OpenGL developer for over 8 years, I have a pretty good idea on how to go about creating these effects in Windows, and there is NO NEED for such high spec hardware.
Since it is now too late to get a refund on that laptop, I have only one course of action left.
I'll have to write my OWN version of the Aero Glass effects, and, unlike Windows blinds, my version WILL BE FREE, and WILL run on XP too!
I WILL GET MY REVENGE, MICROSOFT!

[The Joker]

I would like to see this. Hell i will even help Beta Test it. But if you do succeed i think M$ will take it upon themselves to either 1. Rip off the application. or 2. Sue the living daylights outta you.

Either way this should be interesting.

[Ben.]

Good luck?

And besides, it's not Microsofts fault, it's Intels xD

[Subject Delta]

Yep

Glass is supported on that chipset. You need intel to release an LDDM driver, as microsoft only make them for nVidia and ATi cards at the moment, so blame intel's fantastic customer service not MS

[rjklindsay]

Shane, on Aug 15 2006, 10:58 AM, said:

Yep

Glass is supported on that chipset. You need intel to release an LDDM driver, as microsoft only make them for nVidia and ATi cards at the moment, so blame intel's fantastic customer service not MS

No, its Microsoft that is screwing over Intel. Have a look at the following article:
http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=26657

Microsoft has set some rediculous restrictions for running Glass, and is refusing to lower the bar enough to support intel's 915GM chipset. Also, you no longer get hardware OpenGL graphics acceleration under Vista, on the 915GM. This is clearly a deliberate political move (or blackmail) by Microsoft, since the chipset is more than capable of doing the job.

I am a Delphi /OpenGL developer, specialising in 3D modelling and GIS mapping software.
Since the vast majority of my clients desktop PC's, and Centrino laptops use the 915GM chipset, I have no choice but to advise my clients to stear clear of Vista. If they want to continue running any OpenGL based software, they will have to either stick with Windows XP, or switch to Linux, since these are the only operating systems that are currently capable of hardware accelerated OpenGL on my client's PC's.
Luckily, my Delphi code recompiles just fine under Kylix, so I'll be recommending the Linux route to my clients.
It seems Microsoft is shooting themselves in the foot with this arrogant attempt at blackmailing intel.

[cybertimber2009]

Wait hold on... you quoted something from 2005? Vista was no where near where it is now then. I don't even think it was called Vista!

HOWEVER
http://www.intel.com/products/chipsets/915g/
Says on the right side that its Windows Vista Capable. A chat with Intel's staff confirmed that it is only missing the driver.
The 945/950 pages shows it was updated in FEB. to support Vista, meaning at one time it wasn't compatable.

Also, searching Microsoft for Aero turned up a lot of old powerpoints... reffering to Longhorn, and shortly after naming it Vista, and it stated that only 32 and 64MB of vram would be required. Times have changed. You really need that video ram once you open about 10 or so windows. Really. Try it.